Will we ever know the order in which they were killed? Read Thomas Molletts forensic report https://crimerocket.com/2018/12/17/thomas-molletts-forensic-report-on-shanann-watts-post-mortem-blood-alcohol-level/. He said the blood alcohol is normal after you die. He is responsible for his own actions, many people live with worse and dont kill anyone. Lo que ese animal hizo estuvo todo en su sano juicio, los borrachos dicen que hacen cosas indebidas por estar ebrios pero, este definitivamente es satans. I wore my bra at night sometimes as well while pregnant because they become larger, heavier and more tender. That seems to have been nothing but getting manicures, shopping, and making videos. She asked him to keep the receipt for taxes. My son has many medical issues as well, doesnt make me a hypochondriac ffs she isnt here to defend herself maybe back off a bit. That is simply a common misconception/stereotype that is very harmful and untrue. Defining post mortem bruising requires qualified scientific investigation. I honestly believe Chris smothered them all with ethanol soaked cloths. D: Oil, water and sludge debris was found in her stomach. But, wait a minute, he is that selfish and only thinks of himself, and he is too much of a coward. Unless youd take that as he was going on the run with them, which I highly doubt. At the end of the day there are no good reasons to commit murder, especially of ones own flesh and blood, but there may be valuable lessons to learn from figuring out how this could have happened. He asked one time if he should go look for his familyhe did not ask again about looking and he did not seem overly concerned, the police report said. I wondered if there was a fight, Bella saw him strangle her mother and ran into the basement to hide from him. And the decision to move Chris out of state as well? Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Shed been drinking?? I have to wonder if somehow she woke up and saw what happened to her Mommy. The reports had been sealed until the outcome of the trial. I really think that the pregnancy started the whole thing. I think she was killed in the basement, just by the bottom of the staircase, by the fridges and the area where they stored old rope. Lack of defensive injuries. It is my observation that Bella was unconscious but still breathing when she was and stomped on her head to get her into the tank. Same with NK. Did she even go upstairs to sleep? Info released has stated she had some suitcases still packed, in her bedroom, from the SC trip, and there were other things (like her purses being messy) that just keeps chipping away at true, almost disabling sort of OCD tendencies. Shanann's autopsyconcluded that her cause of death was asphyxiation due to manual strangulation. As CrimeOnline previously reported, Chris Watts tried to pin the murders of 3-year-old Celeste and 4-year-old Bella on his wife when he first confessed to murdering Shanann, who was 15 weeks pregnant at the time. It doesn't appear that the autopsy did a very thorough check. Back? Please review our privacy policy here: https://heavy.com/privacy-policy/, Copyright 2023 Heavy, Inc. All rights reserved. And honestly Im sure he had a lot of time on his hands to do stuff. Do you think youre asking for reasonable evidence that would be commonplace and easy to produce? But hed then be a full time father leaving him not much time to galavant with NK except when a babysitter came. Chris Watts. Or even creepier, but fitting the narcissist he is, asked her to lie down and talk to him, maybe even told her he was sorry and wanted to try and work things out and then pinned her down and strangled her. The ethanol levels are perplexing though; even in decomposition they are rarely above .07. So what Was his motivation for that? . 100% agree. Again, less bad publicity for LeVel. Also I agree much is still withhhed from the public. As noted by Crime Watch Daily, police recovered her body in the Frederick area. Folks seem to think wanting to know why means supporting Watts or blaming his wife. From what I can understand of the facts in this case- there were no scratches to Chris. I tend to have the feeling ; with the way the justice system and penalties are enforced in the US .that he is probably in solitary confinement for his own protection!! It takes 2-4 min for a person to die from smothering or strangulation. Hed let her snuggle him that morning. in any case, who the hell trusts anything coming from Chris Watts? So completely terrible. Also, wasnt her phone found in between couch cushions. Gallstones form over a period of time, raised hormone levels in pregnancy contribute to them. I know it is morbid but I do hope that CW gets his just desserts in jail and those other inmates show him some of the terror that his beautiful girls would have experienced in the last moments of their life. But think about it. Would love your thoughts, please comment. Just a suggestion. Under anaerobic conditions (absence of free oxygen) acids such as lactic acid, acetic acid and butyric acid are produced during decomposition, as well as a number of alcohols which include butyl alcohol, ethyl alcohol and acetone. Look up alcohol levels in postmortem state. I wrote a novel here but I can dispute any theory you have with common sense, and irrefutable evidence! The body is that of a well-developed, well-nourished although decomposing Caucasian female whose appearance is generally If this is true, what a sad sad world we live in for the love of money is the root of all evil. And so on. Shanann was in there with her on top of her. Cassie Rosenberg Page 626 @Nickhi, in answer to your question about the suitcase she might have been so exhausted and wanting to get to bed right away that she left it downstairs, figuring she would deal with it in the morning. I love that guy. Also, if memory serves, CW did at least one load of laundry on the night in question. I do know a lot of women who do this also. As a former forensic detective I dont completely agree with the DAs comment that it is normal. Then I think he panicked and was scared and didnt know what to do. If thats the case I cant figure where else they would have been at that time. Theres just too much, including motive, he wanted a life with Nicole with no disturbances. When the girls were not at daycare, and at home, they took very long naps, and also had a 6:30 pm bedtime, sleeping 630-6:30. After reading your response Im wondering if this was filled with ethanol or some similar agent. The manner of death is homicide, the autopsy for Bella said. The detective said not really. Not as bright. No, I dont believe she was drinking at all, considering she was pregnant. This is from the transcript of the Larry King Live show covering Scott Petersons conviction in the death of his pregnant wife Lacey thats Dr. Henry Lee, a forensic scientist: KING: If there were smothering, would there have been evidence? There was no oil in Ceces stomach. @huey Please read todays post where it reads She also wanted to make her marriage work. I have a question. The entire thing is horrific, but theres a lot of misinformation and misunderstanding going on several people mentioning the hyoid bone being in tact or the lack of patechia but I can tell you from experience- Ive seen severe patechia in a sick womans eyes and also in a drowning victim (age 2)- but in all 3 bodies Ive observed during transport or autopsy- none had patechia and none had thier hyoid disturbed- Ive only ever seen it broken in hanging/suicide cases or once in an auto accident that involved crushing injuries to the head and neck. Ive seen hundreds of bodies both recently deceased and WELL decomposed and I can assure you- while SOME bodies dedicate/urinate due to the relaxing of muscles at the time of death- its certainly not most. He is not only a monster, but also a coward, by quickly disabling his victims. Watts previously told investigators that Shannan's killing was a spur-of-the-moment crime of passion and didn't admit to planning it. He tells his vindictive wife that he wants out. She left him a note the morning she left for Arizona and it was very loving & positive. It may interest people to see how MLM companies such as Thrive, train their customers and promoters in Time and Management and Organisational skills, both of which can be classified as OCD behaviours to an untrained eye. Once the body dies the lower digestive tract opens up. -nickvdl. while he killed them one after another. Her office was described as unorganized and sort of messy, as were closets, drawers, and things out of sight. I dont know her daily habits, but i use mine as an alarm. In fact, I wonder if LeVel pulled some strings in Chris plea bargain it would certainly be better for the MLM to not have details about its pernicious effect on this familys finances coming out in a court trial. Lastly and not related to your book, I continuously read people stating that the only bruises on Shananns body were the on the right side of her neck. This was filmed during the police officers body cam footage. You know theres plenty of that right? https://www.childrenshospital.org/conditions-and-treatments/conditions/e/esophageal-strictures, a medical history significant for peanut allergies. When it was revealed yesterday that the children had been smothered, I assumed a pillow was used, especially since it would cover their faces and provide emotional distance for Chris while murdering his own children. Not everyone poops when they die, in fact most do not. The same instinct that we as parents have to call somebody for help when our children our hurt. She was relatively YOUNG. Hello everyone, The trauma dogs noted hot spots in the basement. The phone was found in the cushions of that upstairs couch, not the downstairs couch. And then you test it in various scenarios. @Kaye Im thinking the girls were killed after Shanann because he knew she would look in on them, perhaps kiss them, before turning to bed herself.>>>When he murdered Shanann, how do you think he did it? I dont think I know everything, but I do know more about this case than most. Based on the history provided and the autopsy findings, the cause of death is asphyxiation due to manual strangulation by another individual. Shanann Was Wrapped in a Sheet & Buried in a Shallow Grave That Watts Dug With a Shovel Police reportsThe crime scene. Do you think her phone ended up where it was because thats how and where it left her hand? what was the deal with the blue gloves next to the bed??? read befor comment on subjectit is well describedecomposition did this. Amy thoughts on her? In terms of your comments about respect, you clearly have no respect for my work. Dont mislead people into believing there should be feces in the location of a murder. To do her business? I am very new to this case, only a couple of months ago, end of November 2020 to be precise. Your thoughts? You can argue till the cows come home and all you end up arguing is that she could be in any non-specific place in the house. A Stranglehold can incapacitate and render unconsciousness within 5 11 seconds. True Crime Analysis, Breakthroughs, Insights & Discussions Hosted by Bestselling Author Nick van der Leek. That sounds very very snarky. He asked to speak to his father before confessing. If you read through the autopsies very well you will see that the oldest girl, Bella, actually bit her tongue several times and had many injuries in her mouth. Lastly, he lies constantly to the police, why is this self serving story all of the sudden believable? I once witnessed where someone used Tequila in a hookah instead of water. Areas of bruising, internal. I am in Australia and I came across this story by accident and I am just horrified. If the children had cold pizza for tea at 7pm, that means they were still alive until at least 11pm. Knowing that his neighbor had a camera, he has a reason to leave at that time. Found this research paper a stunning indictment of Multilevel Marketing (MLM) industry. Or look up the video of the DA talking about the autopsies. When asked if they were going to find any marks on her during his confession he said I dont think so and when asked why he said it was because she didnt fight back because I was in such a rage Tell me how that makes any sense at all? Before I forget one glaring mistake in the Discovery by the CBI when they did the forensic search they said they checked for traces of blood where the cadaver dogs had indicated, including the top of the basement stairs near the mudroom. I think Chris pretended to be asleep because I think hes a coward and wouldnt have wanted to interact with her. If we can believe his scenario, that also sounds like Shannn wasnt trying to kill her daughter like Chris thought, which meant neither of them killed her which leaves someone who must have entered the home by using an access code that wouldnt trip the alarm and I wonder who that might be ((cough*mistress*cough)) if Chriss scenario is correct of course! What about rigormortis? Between the two preferences, a lot of interaction was visible. @Nick I thought the bedsheets in the bedroom were soiled? I chose this thread that details the grisly aspects of the deaths to post it because, after reading the entire thing, it almost seems that there was an unrecognized accomplice in the Watts family murders. During decomposition, gasses cause stuff to come out but thats a different matter. However, prosecutors maintained that Watts killed his pregnant wife and the two girls, and eventually he pleaded guilty to the crimes. https://www.medicaldaily.com/what-forensic-scientist-doesnt-tell-you-7-postmortem-responses-dead-body-314404. You see any documents with that diagnosis? @Lisa if shed already died she would have not been engaged in the act of strangling her like he said. YES! Seriously? Anyway, either you get it, or you dont. Nick, have any of her docs said she had clinical OCD? In the autopsy Shannan was found to be still wearing a bra. give me a break. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0411/12/lkl.01.html, https://shakedowntitle.com/tag/scott-peterson/, http://www.timescall.com/ci_32281483/autopsy-reports-show-shanann-watts-daughters-were-asphyxiated, https://letsqueerthingsup.com/2018/05/12/i-didnt-know-i-had-ocd-heres-why-the-stereotypes-are-so-harmful/, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYC7bHIzuqE, https://crimerocket.com/2018/11/02/shanann-watts-intended-to-brand-baby-niko-and-credit-thrive-for-her-perfect-pregnancy-but-her-plan-backfired/, https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-woman-made-a-life-changing-decision-after-her-husband-gave-600000-to-a-cult-2017-07-10, Christopher Watts: What else do we know? This is an excellent theory and makes a TON of sense!!! That got me too it sounded more like Shanann was trying to do CPR if she was already blue! Watts has since pleaded guilty to killing his wife and daughters, as well as a charge of unlawful termination of a pregnancy. I was writing in a passion. Thats inaccurate. So she wasnt in rigor at the home and was likely just starting to show signs while he was burrying her at the site. As someone who has OCD I would appreciate if everyone commenting here would look up the mental condition. Page 582, 6. Celestes was similar. 4. https://www.iol.co.za/capeargus/news/rohde-court-told-of-faeces-in-spier-hotel-room-15629834. I have always slept with a bra on and I am 43 years old, always. Kind of comforting too if they were unconscious when murdered they wouldnt have died in fear and terror. Cause if it was the way CW said she would have fought back. And that she looked at him as she died. Because you asked if I hurt her and I said no but I hurt her emotionally the agents said they already knew about Nikki which took Chris by surprise, he then realizes shes talked to the police. Gastrointestinal Tract: ~KSmallz. I just dont understand this. Which she combed over the menu trying to come up with that amount for one person. ( oh & yes there were handprints in both sides of her neck according to autopsy ) on his arms? She texted her GF talking about her being a single mom when she separated from Chris. I lived with one. Shannan was a hypochondriac, who was gonna turn her kids into the same. I remember one video where shes tasting one of the Thrive bars and effusing over how delicious it is, while one of her daughters cries with hunger in the background, and ShanAnn tells the poor child, No, you cant have this this is Mommys. Ive never personally had a child repeatedly behave as the girls did, and pleasea disclaimer here. Theres really not much to say about this, right? They were invited by Shannans family to attend the funerals and did not even show. Chris only saw things with one lense. And then I freaked out and hurt her., He whispered, Sheshe smothered them. > Most do not, really? Im a survivor. & he says ah um like yeah theres that too & sort of skips right over it. he said he had to raise the girls arms up to get them into the hatches of the oil tank. Watts was having an affair with a woman named Nichol Kessinger, and Shananns texts show he had grown cold to her. There are a lot of types online who get off on blaming victims for what others do. In the video of Chris Wattss confession, previously published on CrimeOnline, investigators appear incredulous that he was able to fit the bodies into the tanks, but Watts claimed he was able to do so without difficulty. parents are hardly ever at the ones to determine that nothing can be done to save their children. through the skin in heated arguments which are undetectable to the human nose in the same way attraction pheromones are undetectable to our noses ). Here is the parts in Shanann's autopsy report that says the stuff about how her hair was sloughing, that she had skin slippage & bloating/decomposing had started. People with OCD have rituals. Watts buried Shannan's body in a shallow grave and dumped his daughters' bodies into an oil tank at the oil and gas exploration site where he worked in Frederick, Colorado, US. She was not drinking! I guess since theyre children and small its possible. Thus, the little girls may have been unconscious but they were NOT COMPLETELY DEAD YET.and that is how oil got into their LUNGS !!!!!!!!! Good to have a former forensic detective around. For starters there was only ONE cadaver dog (the Lab) who indicated only TWO places in the house the spot in the basement between the stairs and the heating system fan, and by the rear sliding door! I doubt shed just leave her phone and stuff downstairs like that. He had a schedule and he was sticking to it. Cyril Wect is an expert who always talks about how drowning victims have water in their lungs ONLY if they are alive during drowning and not completely dead !!!!!! Something that might help with perspective is this financial article in which a wife writes in for advice, because her husband has started sending hundreds of thousands of dollars to a cult: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-woman-made-a-life-changing-decision-after-her-husband-gave-600000-to-a-cult-2017-07-10 . Nickole Atkinson was first to sound the alarm; she told police she dropped Shannan off and Shannon was 15 weeks pregnant and not feeling well. I cant believe the police let them stay in there. D Oil, water and sludge debris in the stomach CeCe was face down no oil inside her. The agents stressed the words ran & walked because they were inconsistent & made no sense. The HORRIFIC, worse than most of us originally thought truth; Bella and Cece were ALIVE on the drive, Bella even commented on the smell of her mothers body on the floor under their feet in the back seat because her bowels had evacuated when she died; its horrific to know that he dumped those little girls, unconscious but still alive out of fear that they would wake up again and the disgusting coward and monster that he is- he said he was FURIOUS that they somehow woke up after he thought hed killed them in thier beds. Time needed to cause petechiae is; Fifteen to thirty seconds (Anscombe and Knight 1996); Ten to thirty seconds (Plattner et al 2005); Fifteen seconds maximum (Copley & Kozam 1951) using the capillary fragility test; Shortly after gravity inversion in healthy individuals (Friberg & Weinreb 1985) Watts has since pleaded guilty to killing his wife and daughters, as well as a charge of unlawful termination of a pregnancy. He said it was emotional but a civil conversation and they were not arguing. My closets and nightstand is much cleaner than hers and I dont have OCD. Does this indicate that she was alive after being put into the oil tank? In the new clip, the cold-hearted killer is wearing t-shirt, shorts and flip flops as officers secure. When you are larger or they are tender, especially when pregnant, it is easier to sleep in them. Or it might be that a place for everything and everything in its place is a good way for me to manage time being able to grab what I need when I need it without having to faff around looking for it. Just like those rare occasions where you laughed so hard you peed in your pants, you will pee and poop in the spontaneous relaxation of your muscles following death.

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