God sent Salih to warn them, then after they ignored him and murdered a she-camel that God sent, He killed them and left only Salih and those who followed him alive. 2) The dwellings of Thamud are elsewhere in the valley of Hijr. Required fields are marked *. The scripts used in these inscriptions is mostly Hismaic and Safaitic writing systems native to Arabia, and quite distinct from the one later adopted for writing the Quran. Hence, the Prophet (s) and his companions did visit the land of Thamud and reflected upon the ruins of many idolatrous peoples found there, but they did not claim that any of these specific artifacts belonged to the first tribe of Thamud from the Quran. And this advancement led to a stratified society of haves and have nots. So you could see the people therein fallen as if they were hollow trunks of palm trees. 12. This shouldnt be surprising as the Quraish, and in fact most faiths, do the same thing. The Prophet ordered that the drinking water be split and the flour given to the camels, and he ordered them to drink the water from the well to which the she-camel (of Salih) had come. God sent down a milch camel as his sign, and Salih told his countrymen that they should not harm the camel and allow it to drink from their well. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features Press Copyright Contact us Creators . Though you build your nest as high as the eagles, Thus, from the aforementioned verses we have gleaned the following: 1. of 'Ad and Thamud by name. They mixed with the people of Qahtan and descendants of Prophet Abraham pbuh. [7] Today, all these areas are located in the Arab world with the exception of Khuzestan. What? Imagine if in a thousand years, the United States is a completely different landscape, much of it devoid of inhabitants and all of the history associated with its people are lost. 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A Warning to the Disbelievers and a Reminder of the Story of `Ad and Thamud. [19], To the Thamd, We sent their brother, li. Encyclopaedia Britannica's editors oversee subject areas in which they have extensive knowledge, whether from years of experience gained by working on that content or via study for an advanced degree. While certain online Christian communities are abuzz with elation and glee, some Muslims are faced with difficulties in formulating a proper response to the latest Christian accusation. 4 Though you soar like the eagle They just wanted to catch him in some sort of inconsistency they could use to discredit him. And perhaps, using the knowledge, culture, and technology from the Aad, they established a new society. If the Bible tells us nothing more, at least it illustrates that carving out structures on mountains predated the Nabateans, and that is all we need to refute the Christian allegation against the Quran. Vol. The Aad and Thamud were both located in the northwestern part of modern day Saudi Arabia near the border of Jordan. The 2 verses are very generic in that they describe the general civilizations over time that have been destroyed or have perished but their signs remain behind. Before the destruction came to them, Hud and his small group of followers escaped the area and were spared the punishment. [9] The Thamd also joined the Roman armies as auxiliaries, and the Notitia Dignitatum mentions two units of Thamd warriors serving the Roman Empire, one in Egypt and the other in Palestine.[10]. As for the conclusion that Ashab al-Hijr were not Thamud, I think this is rather unwarranted. Akkadians Certainly many of these ancient civilizations were advanced for their times and certainly more advanced than the Arabs as they had very little structures and civilization development and they were tribal societies and not big cities. In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful. The fact that he showed them the well of the she-camel and confirmed the area as geographically related to Thamd but made no comment on the tombs shows that he knew they were unrelated to any previous Prophet. It is estimated by some historians that Moses (s) lived around the 16th century BCE. As for their dates, I do not know and it is not necessary that they would have to be very close to each other. Eph'al instead speculates that the Thamd and other Arab tribes may have made arrangements with Sargon to trade in Samaria, which Assyrian historians embellished as submission. Replying by always staying what is the problem or what is the issue seems to have a rebuking or shaming tone that appears very harsh to the questioner. Your email address will not be published. However, that does not solve the dilemma of who carved out the hills and mountains in Petra because the Edomites existed prior to the Nabateans, who according to the Christians were the ones who carved out the mountains and hills of Petra and Madian Saleh in 1st or 2nd century B.C. The expedition of Tabuk does identify the dwellings and ruins of a destroyed nation of Thamud and this area is between Madeenah and Shaam/Syria. [21] Syrians who belonged to Monophysitic denominations welcomed the peninsular Arabs as liberators. There has come to you clear evidence from your Lord. A little later, Pliny, the Elder (d. 79 AD), a Roman historian, while writing hisNatural History,mentions theThamudaei5 a people dominant in Hegra, adjoining the Nabataeans. Ala-Maududi. They were built not before the time of Musa ( ), but during the first century BC and the first century CE. Previous ones may have fallen and replaced by Nabateans but during the time of the Prophet (), there did remain buildings of Thamud and who knows, they might still be there today but undiscovered by archaeologists. In fact, we even know the scripts they used! Arab genealogical tradition. Are women deficient in intelligence in Islam? Thanks for the article and yea I see no problem. Here is how their argument goes: The Quran describes prophet called Salih ( ), who lived in the Thamud tribe. And their responses reflected their advancement in knowledge. Later still, we find them mentioned by Ptolemy (d. 168AD), in his Geography.6. It may very well be that during the time of the prophet, certain structures were still apparent to them that are now hidden due to natural occurrences, such as earthquakes, accretion of sand and erosion with time. So away with Thamud! After giving birth, the camel drank all the water from a well every two days and then produced enormous amounts of milk for the people. Is al ula walid al qura Both groups of people were located on the Arabian Peninsula. Compared to modern civilizations of this time that we live in, these were still archaic and that is just sign of the times but compared to those who came after them in the lands, these destroyed civilizations were e definitely stronger. Here our discussion lies around the location of the thamud people and the houses/tombs they carved out of the stones and mountains. So youd then say that the buildings at Madain Salih were indeed originally Thamudic and then after that built upon by other nations? The general consensus among 14th-century Arab genealogists is that Arabs are of three kinds: The Hawazin tribe and the Quraysh tribe are considered Adnani Arabs. ___ : __ >> :____ Fatwa __ . This is the temple that was built by the tribal unit of Thamud, the leaders of their unit, so that it might be established by their hands and be their place of veneration for ever7. They may believe in Allah and may even worship Him in some ways. Moreover, they cultivated fertile land and gained lots of benefit from it. Source: Sahih Muslim 2981, Grade: Sahih, . Other ahadith mention that this was the land of Thamud ie. There existed a nation called the Edomites. One-third of the tombs, which are amongst the largest, are clearly dated to between 0-75 CE. Like Petra, much of the ruins are still hidden, we cant make absolute conclusions unless and until we have access to all of the monuments, tombs, structures, which are still hidden. So Allah sent a camel with the simple command: Dont harm her. When they cut the hamstring of a female camel that God had sent down for them, despite the prophet's warnings, they were annihilated, except for Salih and his followers. (2). The Story of Adam (The First Man) _ part 1. Arabian tradition holds that the Thamud kingdom was destroyed by God. [24] Whether the poem is genuinely by Umayya or is a post-Islamic creation is a matter of debate. [78] Their Messengers came to them with Clear Signs. The exact time of their existence is nearly impossible to determine. that that Thamud did it then the edomites took over then the nabteaons but all I know is that Thamud existed before 3000 bc so 3000 bc is probably when they were destroyed then the edomites revamped them made them look new then the nabteaons did the same and I believe the tribe of ad was destroyed weather 5-8 thousand bc and I believe noahs flood was around the ending off the ice age what was between 10-13 thousand bc became the population of the world was only 1 million at 10 thousand bc and no more than 20 million people at 5000 bc what makes stuff interesting but as a side note if the quran does say that noahs people was the first to commit shirk then ad then thamud but none at the same time or between then thamud had to come before 9000 bc so that was when they would be destroyed because the gobeki tepe was built then and that was definitely pagan shirk but this is my opion but thanks, And of course ad was the descendents of noah and thamud was the descendents of ad. Most of the monuments and inscriptions of the archaeological site of Al-Hijr date from the 1st century BCE and the 1st century CE. or, if he should, he can never take it, or take me from hence, conquer and subdue me. Now imagine if people arrive from Latin America, find Mount Rushmore, and make a few inscriptions on it. 27:52 is in present tense. Beni Hassan defeated both Berbers and Black Africans in the region, pushing them southwards to the Senegal river while the Arab tribes settled in Mauritania. Heavy contact with Romans resulted in us having a pretty decent record of its territories and people. [10], Arab Islamic sources state that the Thamud were an early Arab tribe that had gone extinct in ancient days. Sahih International. ___Fatwa. The fact that these structures are still around today, after nearly 4000 years is a testament to their quality and design. Four generations is only about eighty years and its unlikely, in my humble opinion, that they were able to establish a new socieity, invent a new religion, and forget all about their ancestors the Aad in such a short time. The Bible Their responses, while snarky, were fairly simple. They are of Arab origin, but now of mixed blood mostly with Nilo-Saharans and Nubians. I will post the links here for now. The same can be said of Median Saleh, much of the area is still hidden under sand. Allah knows best if that really happened (this event is not mentioned in the Quran or Sunnah.). [17] The Muslim governor of Egypt encouraged the migration of tribes from the Arabian Peninsula to Egypt to increase the Muslim population in the region and to strengthen his regime by enlisting warrior tribesmen to his forces, encouraging them to bring their families and entire clans. The facades vary in height and in the richness of their decorations. The following are four verses from Obadiah: 1 The vision of Obadiah. According to the Islamic tradition, the Thamd were warned by the prophet li to worship Allh, but the Thamd stubbornly refused and as a result were anni. [17], Thamud is mentioned twenty-three times in the Quran as part of a moralistic lesson about God's destruction of sinful nations, a central motif in the Quran. Eventually, they demanded proof for what Salih was saying. [27], The migration of Arab tribes to Mesopotamia began in the seventh century, and by the late 20th century constituted about three quarters of the population of Iraq. The Middle verse in chapter (25) of the Noble Quran talks about Noah's people, Ad (the people of the prophet Hud) and Thamud (the people of the prophet Salih). But as well see below, archaeological and literary records place them firmly in Northern Arabia/Jordan, well after the death of Jesus (33 AD). The leftover of Ad were taken and built over by Thamud. The hadiths show that there were wells present in that particular spot attributed to the Thamud. [29] The second Arab tribal migration to northern Mesopotamia was in the 10th century when the Banu Numayr migrated there. [24] These tribes advanced in large numbers all the way to Morocco, contributing to a more extensive ethnic, genetic, cultural, and linguistic Arabization in the region. Success comes from Allah, and Allah knows best. The shout, which is an extremely loud sound, might have caused the earthquake, according to certain scholars. Furthermore, there is also proof that they had some elements of true Islam in their faith. Of course, only Allah knows the truth. According to the Quran and the Islamic exegetical tradition, the Thamud were an early Arab tribe who rejected the message of the prophet Salih. Assalamualaikum what do u think of the carbon dating and the presence of wells? Ad and Thamud were two great civilizations destroyed by God due to their excessive wickedness. If you keep that mindset, youll go far, Inshallah. They did worship Allah, which Ill prove soon. Indeed, the Quran states that many generations came after the first tribe of Thamud without specifying an exact timeline. what enemy, ever so warlike and powerful, will venture to invade my land, or besiege me in my strong hold? Routledge. It does not state, however, who made the inscriptions. She states that all we have are A few papyri, which are mainly private contracts, and thousands of graffiti scattered on the rocks, 90% of which contain only the name of the individual who wrote it, his fathers name, and a formulaic greeting. This is the temple that was built by the tribal unit of Thamd, the leaders of their unit, so that it might be established by their hands and be their place of veneration forever with the support of Antistius Adventus, the governor. After several centuries of independent existence, it was finally incorporated into the Roman empire in 106 AD. Assalamualaikum I dont believe 27:50-53 is necessarily referring to their houses existing at the time of the Prophet SAW when they tell us to behold the sign therein. They were successors to the People of Noah. We find ruins of so many past civilisations such as Indus Valley (Mohenjodaro, Harappa), Sodom, and so on. Personallhy, I think that number is too soon. . [ Qur'an and Suhih Sunnah - Islamic Knowledge ]. [20] The Arabs of the caliphate accommodated many new tribes in isolated areas to avoid conflict with the locals; caliph Uthman ordered his governor, Muawiyah I, to settle the new tribes away from the original population. al-Hijr, the second most important centre of the Nabataean empire, is the title of the 15th chapter of the Quran. Follow the great majority of Muslims today? Or just left relics in land 6. Based on the Quranic and Biblical evidence, and the lack of archeological evidence which can conclusively show that every single structure that is excavated, and those that will be excavated in the future, are all Nabatean in origin, I believe carving out structures on hills and mountains originated with the Thamud, which was later adopted by the Edomites, which later still, was adopted by the Nabateans. And they used to carve from the mountains, houses, feeling secure. So what we see are Hellenistic structures built by Midianites taken over from the Thamud. We must look at them, ponder over the signs of Allah and take heed. They carved-out habitations on the hills and mountainscaves constructed on high places. (2/380-381), The inscriptions of al-Hijr are the remnants of the Nabateans. They lived in houses carved into the surface of the earth. These include Sunni Huwala and Achomi people, who compromise of both fully Arab and mixed Arab-Persian families. 4) That the ORIGINAL dwellings in the valley were Thamuds but Nabateans built them further. It is addressed there See the video here (arabic): https://youtu.be/yjRjkjQ-VEA, Me however I lean towards that Madain Saleh is not the place for the Quranic Thamud like Dr Thiaeb (linguist of ancient arabic and archeologist) has been repeatedly saying at least since 1995, because among other reasons that Madain Saleh lacks all the marks of Gods wrath, the earth quake levelling Thamud etc. It is very conceivable that those individuals who established this society became the pillars of the nation and their descendents took advantage of that and maintained a stranglehold on the wealth of the nation. Is Thamud mentioned in the Bible? It had no written law, but the tribal leader played the role of ruler. After the destruction of Ad, Thamud succeeded them in power and grandeur. and make your home on the heights, Dealing with faith-related doubts in Islam. Possible answer: Their messenger lived before or even during the time of Isa (as), this also the time where this site flourished, but when they denied him, Allah did not destroy them immidiantely. Now today, Thamudic ones have not remained and what is preserved are the Nabatean ruins, Assalam alikum I think what the people are trying to say is if I got this right is that the hadith says dont enter the homes houses of thamud so the verses makes it sound like the houses were still standing tall back then and some non muslims use this hadith to say the muhammad peace be upon him thought that these houses that were built by the thamud but that he got it wrong because these tombs were built by the nabtions not thamud and Ibn Kathir thought the same this is what I think they mean. However, while I agree that these two groups are certainly predecessors to modern Arabs, Im not convinced that Hud, Salih, Shuayb, and Ismail were actually Arabs.. Also there were no prophets between Isa AS and Muhammad SAW which is another issue to clarify. They are mentioned in the Quran as examples of civilizations that Allah had destroyed because of their sins and as signs of the fleeting nature of the worldly power. Thamud scripts and finds are noted in the area as well as possible signs of the ancient people before Thamud. I have yet to find a shred of evidence of a dead body that was placed in any of the recesses in the walls. Take your time and let it sink in: 1. [34][35] Tribalism is a significant characteristic of Arab population in Khuzestan.[36]. Trudy Ring, Noelle Watson, Paul Schellinger. It seems we gonna have some proper analysis on this case, and Allah (as) knows best! This poses problematic. Some Muslims have mistakenly equated sites such as these with the first Thamud of the Quran, but it is believed by archaeologists that a different group of people called the Nabataeans, in fact, built some of these sites. Instead, they tried to engage Salih in debate. Doesnt matter if they were destroyed before or after Ibn Kathir and the land is not in Yemen. But despite all of this advice, the Aad rejected their brother Hud. Having similar names doesnt mean much The Edomites and Thamud Accordingly, the Thamud were a powerful and idolatrous tribe living in Hegra, now called Madin li, the Cities of liin northwestern Arabia. Most scholars interpret this as an earthquake. Allah does not want wrong for the servants. It is argued that the Quran and the Prophet () made an error in history and facts[1]. The Quran states regarding them: , And to the Thamud [We sent] their brother Salih. The Qurn mentions the Thamd as examples of the transitoriness of worldly power. The word atharan or assar as loosely written in Urdu literally means effects or reactions or remnants left behind as an escape of a crime scene where clues or signs point to. Claim that the Edomites are not Thamud thus the verses are irrelevant. Nevertheless, a number of interesting archaeological sites still exist in Arabia that have preserved the ruins of lost civilizations, such as the Archaeological Site of Al-Hijr (Madin Slih). . For a few reasons. And take for yourselves palaces and fortresses that you may abide eternally?Chapter 26, Verses 128 129. these 2 ayat that have been repeated elsewhere are a beautiful reminder of the lessons to be learned and ibra from the civilizations that have long gone and their signs remain for those that follow and there are many such examples of these very beautiful and instructive verses. 1. from there I will bring you down, I believe neither are in error. Suppose if Nuh ( ) came 40,000 years ago or even 100,000 years ago and the few hundred or a few thousand people were destroyed by the flood, then it would not be difficult to believe that human population reached in millions, further subdividing into nations, communities, and tribes, after thousands of years. What do u think? From the overall area of a few miles, that particular area of a few feet had Thamudic remains. Seeking blessings from relics of the righteous? The video (arabic): https://youtu.be/0XIPP6vsDmA. The second lesson is to watch out for the signs in our lives. The absence of evidence here is no evidence of absence. One of the main lessons I see is that we must be very careful about mocking or challenging Allah. The Fatimid era was the peak of Bedouin Arab tribal migrations to Egypt. Dont ignore them. what they used to build and what they have built. In other words either the evidence no longer exists (no problem) or Thamudic dwellings in North West Arabia are yet to be discovered. Is there a possibility that these remaining tombs (around 1400 years back, were more in number and had dwellings as well) were inscribed upon by the Nabataeans as has already been proposed and I came across a while back, Assalam alikum what about 40:21 and 40:82 if someone could explain these verses, Walikum Assalam, copyright@ Atowar Rahman Salafi || year 2021, may, @Copyright_ Atowar Rahman Salafi He said, "My people, just think: if I did have clear proof from my Lord, and if He had given me mercy of His own, who could protect me from God if I disobeyed Him? It is possible that multiple unrelated groups took on the name of Thamud; they probably spoke Old Arabic. 2. If not, then why do we need to find the remains of Thamud? Also you said 89:9 means a valley is not Madain al saleh a vally or is it not The Thamud did not worship God, and were disobedient. It would be unsurprising then, to find them in the archaeological/literary records related to ancient Arabia. They were so proud of their accomplishments, that they built huge castles, palaces, and other structures as symbols of their power. The Thamud are mentioned in contemporary Mesopotamian, Classical, and Arabian sources, including in inscriptions in a temple erected in the 160s for the god lh, by the Thamud themselves. They trace their lineage to Abbas, uncle of the Islamic prophet Muhammad. So they used to carve and not they still carve. MALIK'S MUWATTA, BOOK 9: Shortening the Prayer || __ - . You mentioned that there are many house-like structures in the valley today, so perhaps they are one of those. The Edomites can also be a separate nation and through the passage time they shared history, tradition, and custom with the remnants of the Thamud. [16] It is possible that the Thamud were not one tribe, and that other tribes took on the name of Thamd after the original tribe by that name had gone extinct. No doubt! In the historical and archaeological record, both were contemporaries, but by the time of the Prophet in the 7th century AD, they had become little more than a distant memory, and their ruins, places of myth and legend. Archaeologists should do their job the way they do and in case of any finding, they can confirm whether it conflicts with the Quran or not; if it does not, then there is nothing wrong to proceed with it further but if it does, then archaeology needs to be further examined however, such an occurrence would never happen since the Quran is from God. Mostafa Badawi, in his book Ancient Prophets of Arabiasays thatthe people ofThamdlived in the 8th century BCE in the al-Hijr region and were destroyed. What is uncovered thus far reveal that the structures are not dwellings, but tombs. Such an amazing thing was supposed to be their sign. You may look at any tafsir, these Ayaat are general and simply refer to destroyed civilisations which may be Indus Valley (Mohenjodaro, Harappa), Sodom, and Pompeii among many others. But they hamstrung it, so he said, "Enjoy life for another three days: this warning will not prove false." Most decent Muslims would never do such a thing, but there are many misguided people who do. And when they conqured people, they did so in a harsh, brutal, and ruthless manner. The word Thamud appears in the Annals of the Assyrian king Sargon II (r. 722705 BCE), inscribed at Dur-Sharrukin. Corrections? And you said the nabteons built over them so if they built over them all then how could the prophet see them or the quran describe them when they were built over by them and by the time the prophet came because the nabateans came before jazzakkallah, But these are the last 5 questions and thats it sorry to keep bothering you it is that Im getting all the information I can so if Im ever questioned then I can answer them jazzakkallah, Sorry just 2 more but thats it most of these questions are yes or no As Dost aptly observes, thedescription [of Aad and Thamud] in the Qurn is the sum of historical memory and topographical observations modeled on the familiar configuration of perished peoples, (This is part of series on Arabia. 5. [Qur'an . They may have even intermingled to the point of losing any distinction along ethnic lines as there is no good reason or evidence to preclude the idea that the Thamud also ventured and lived in Petra and the surrounding areas. 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